Nancy Hart's Historic Marker and Courthouse
I took these summer of 2009 you can post if you like they are pictures of Nancy Hart's Historic Marker and Summersville WV., Courthouse square, at Main St. (WV Route 41) & Church St. Summersville, West Virginia
Bill Judy. |
When: Summer of 2009
Photographer: Bill Judy
Photo submitted by: Bill Judy
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Remark Nellie Bell:
Thanks for sharing the pictures of Nancy Hart's Historic Marker commemorating the capture and escape of Confederate spy Nancy Hart in 1862, located on the east lawn of the Nicholas County Courthouse in Summersville, WV. As we all know Nancy Hart have attracted the interest and attention of young and old for some 147 years. The purpose of these pictures is to pay tribute to the history reflected in the Historic Marker of Nancy Hart. |
  
I am the great great grand daughter of Seth and Jane Hart Spurlock.Sep 10, 2009 11:38 AM
Submitted by: Beulah Edwards,
Hi. Nellie-Bell
I am the great great grand daughter of Seth and Jane Hart Spurlock. I have always been interested in the Spurlock genealogy. I was on the computer last night, and I typed in Hart Families in Russel County, Va. and I found an article on Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy. It gives her parents as John and Rebecca Bolling Hart. She had a sister listed as Mary Elizabeth Hart who married William Price. It also gave the marriage date and a list of their children. Could this be the Nancy Hart that is confused with Nancy Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart and Mary Hart. It would be interesting to see if this is accurate information. Alphaeus Spurlock, a son of Seth and Jane Hart is my grandfather. My name is Beulah Edwards. I would like to hear from you. Thanks
Remark Nellie Bell:
Nancy Hart has both captured the public's imagination and been the source of heated controversy. So I couldn't really give you a yes, other to say that based on ours facts and historical records that are available that Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy of Roane County parents are Stephen Hart and Mary Hart, we couldn’t find any meaningful or accurate information to change the result for us to believe any other way..….While no genealogy is 100% accurate we do ours best.
We found Mary Hart on the 1850 census Washington County, VA age 13, and through diligent and conscientious research, we have tried to logically connect Mary to Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy of Roane County but couldn’t find any meaningful or accurate information so it is our belief there no connection between Nancy Hart, Confederate Spy and Mary Hart of Virginia. We did find a William Price 1856 (Virginia) Marriage Mary Polly SILTNER (Birth 1835) William Death 19 Sept. 1861, we don't know if this is the same Price and this is the only available information we got on William Price.
I hope you'll find this helpful.
Nellie Bell |
Plumley Family RootsJuly. 10, 2009 10:44 AM
Submitted by: Margaret Kathleen Farrell
Dear Nellie Bell:
I am researching the following Roane County families and this information could be very useful to the descendants of Nancy Hart. Stephen Hart born in 1809 NC, died in 1896 Roane County WV (son of James and Elizabeth (?) Hart both NC) and Mary Jane Plumley born 1812 NC, alive 1880 Roane County, WV (daughter of William Plumley born 1775, died 1842 NC. And Jane Jackson (?) born 1778 NC). Their children were (#1) Jane born 1833 Russell County, WV married Seth Spurlock born 1826 Logan County, WV (Seth was a son of Charles and Parthena Hager Spurlock). (#2) Martha born 1834 Russell County, VA. Died 1899 Roane County, VA. (#3) James 1860 Roane County, VA. (#4) Charity born 1837 VA., alive 1870 Roane County VA., (#5) William born 1840 VA., alive 1850 Boone County, VA. (#6) Kelley S. Born 1842 VA. Died 1913 Webster County, W. Va., married Sarah Haley, (#7) Nancy (Confederate Spy) born 1845 VA., alive 1860 Roane county, Va., (#8) Floyd born 1847 VA., alive 1870 Roane County, W. Va., (#9) Catherine born 1849 VA., died 1942 Roane County, W. Va., married John Haley, and 2nd married John Booth, (#10) Doliver born 1851 VA., alive 1870 Roane County, W. Va., (#11) Rebecca born 1853 VA. Alive 1860 Roane County, VA., (#12) Salina born 1855 VA., died 1934 W. Va., (13) John P. Born 1857 Roan County, VA. Alive 1860 Roane County VA.
Thank You
Margaret Kathleen Farrell
PS any information would be appreciated about the Plumley Family of NC. (William Plumley and Jane Jackson are my g-g-grandparents). Looking for Descendants of John Plumley: Minnie Plumley b July 1889, Married Franklin Bowden, James A Plumley b 14 Oct 1893, d May 1977, married Sidney Harty, Ida Plumley b Mar 1893 Lizzie Plumley b Nov 1893 Mary Plumley b Oct 1897, Stephen Plumley b 11 May 1900, and d June 1987 Jenniah Plumley b 1900.
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Nancy Morgan Hart (1735 – 1830) was a heroine of the American Revolutionary War.Date: Jan 4, 2009 9:34 AM
Submitted by: Timothy Hart
Hi, stumbled across your page. I am Stephen Timothy Hart of Riner, Va. My father is from Franklin co Ga. I am a relative of Nancy Hart, the Revolutionary War spy whom Hart co. Ga is named after. The Ga. Hart's came from the Carolina's as well as your Stephen of Roane Co. W.Va. Our genealogy is somewhat of a mystery to me, though I do have extensive info of my maternal genealogy. Any help you could provide would be invaluable and much appreciated. Father is Joel, his father was Guy Henry, and his father was Henry. That's about all I know. They were from the Sandy Cross / Royston area of Franklin Co. Georgia. God Bless you, Tim Hart.
Remark Nellie Bell:
Historically, there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Stephen Hart of Roane Co. W.Va. could be a direct descendent of Benjamin and (Ann Morgan Hart Known as Nancy Hart, the Revolutionary War spy )
She was not a member of the Hart family by birth, Nancy Hart (Revolutionary War spy) was born Ann Morgan, the daughter of Thomas and Rebecca Alexander Morgan in 1735. She married Benjamin Hart, the son of Thomas J. Hart who was born in England in 1679 and died in Hanover County, Virginia in 1755
It is widely known that Benjamin and Nancy Ann Morgan Hart and Stephen and Mary Hart was born in North Carolina.
Benjamin and Nancy Ann Morgan Hart had three sons and two daughters James/Morgan Hart, b. abt. 1761, married Katie Sizemore. Their son Edward Hart, b. 1785, d. 1859 in Ashe Co., North Carolina married Nancy Baker, b. 1795, d. 1860. Edward appears in the Ashe CO., North Carolina census until about 1840. Their son Robert Hart, b. 12 Feb. 1811, d. 12 Jul 1879, married Amy Burtz, b. 24 Jul 1822, d. 12 Aug. 1893. I believe Robert and Amy Hart were in Ashe Co., North Carolina until before 1860, then moved to Dekalb Co., Georgia. After the revolution Benjamin and Ann Morgan Hart moved to Carolina's where he died and she eventually moved to Henderson County Kentucky where she died in 1830 and is buried. I hope you'll find this helpful. |
What an awesome sightDec. 08, 2008 12:43 PM
Submitted by: Laura Young
Hi! What an awesome sight, I'm looking forward to beginning some investigations on Nancy Hart, myself. Keep up the good work!
Remark Nellie Bell:
We appreciate any help of any sort we can get. |
John and Rebecca HartNov. 24, 2008 11:48 AM
Submitted by: Ruth McLaren
Looking for information on John (b 1803 NC) and Rebecca (b1804) Hart and their daughter Adeline G. Hart. Believe they came from Ashe Co., NC. They lived in Russell Co., Smyth Co., VA and Kansas Territory. Their children: Jane, Adeline, Mary, Henry, John, Nancy, and Joseph. My 4thGreat-Grandmother was Adeline G. Hart; she married a James Harris 1850’s. Any information would be appreciated to finish part of the family tree of my 4thGreat-Grandmother Adeline G. Hart
Remark Nellie Bell:
I don't know much about the John and Rebecca Hart family you are referring to, but I found John Hart who seems to fit this family on the 1850 Census Washington County, VA Among the old-timers and their descendants It is reasonable to assume that the family move across the border to Kansas Territory in 1850‘s, and staked a claim to a homestead in Kansas but have not found evidence of it myself. I haven't got any info on James Harris and no record of a marriage or the death of an Adeline G. Hart or Adeline Hart in Roane County. Have not found any of them on the 1860 census or later. |
Her grandmother a hundred percent Cherokee Indian
Elizabeth Catherine SizemoreNov. 16, 2008 4:44 AM
Submitted by: Harold Nicholson
I have been told that my great, great grandfather George Ferrell (married 1880) had one spouse named Catherine Hart, she was a widow when he married her, (her husband's kidnap and murder, un-specified bandits blamed for the murder) born on March 10th, 1849 in Boone County, West Virginia and a child named Margaret. Her grandmother a hundred percent Cherokee Indian Elizabeth Catherine Sizemore and my great, great grandmother Catherine looks just like her grandmother. Her father was Stephen Hart, and he was born in 1810 Wake Co. NC. Her mother Mary Plumley was born in VA/WV in 1812. Some family member has said that she was an orphan and that she was Cherokee Indian but didn’t find prove of this. Her brother James Hart killed at Cloyds Mountain May 9, 1864. and her sister Nancy Hart was a Confederate scout, guide and spy in the Civil War and she was hang (Nov., 1862,) Catherine and her spouse homesteaded in Trout Valley or Friars, Greenbrier, West Virginia. The information given by her daughter to my mother from Catherine bible 1922, than from her own memory of Catherine. I would appreciate any information on Catherine.
Remark Nellie Bell:
At the time of writing this remark, I seem to have hit a brick wall with Catherine Hart at the moment. There is actually very little evidence to suggest that Catherine Hart was in fact 100% Cherokee, she was part Cherokee, and her grandfather married a southern Appalachians Cherokee. In those days intermarriage was not uncommon with the Cherokee. We found "no credible evidence" that she married George Ferrell but it is quite possible that she did, some of her family descendents had connection her with the Ferrell name. I would appreciate any credible information or source that link Catherine Hart with the Ferrell family that anyone could give me.
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Daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart lived the LegendOct. 30, 2008 6:48 AM
Submitted by: Katie Nelson,
I am a long time fan of Nancy and always wanted to be her when I was young. I am 23 now and a amateur historian, but still enjoy reading and re-reading all of the online information materials through chat rooms, Blogs, newspaper articles, and stories with a mixture of fact and folklore about the Daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart who lived the Legend.Nancy Hart of Roane County is sometimes confused with Nancy Ann Morgan a North Carolina native who lived near Elberton, Georgia during the American Revolution War and married Benjamin Hart. Nancy Duff of Roane County VA/WV born in 1843 and lived with John and Rebecca Heart Roane County VA/WVA is sometimes confused with the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart. There really are no similarities between these three girls except there first name is Nancy. Why are they confused?
Katie
From Hart County, an hour-and-a-half from Atlanta Georgia
Remark Nellie Bell:
They are confused and frankly I could not tell you why, unless they were coated her life in the possibility of myth versus fact. Personally, I'm convinced with the findings of the professional historians that Nancy was a spy, scout, and guide for the Confederacy during the American Civil War and she was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart. Otherwise if you don’t believe the historians speculations will belong to fantasy and fairy-tall.
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Nancy's Hart Gravesite
I took these summer of 2008 you can post if you like they are pictures of Nancy Hart grave on Greenbrier rd. my aunt Jane lived at the last house up there thats how this grave site was found by my father Jack Stanley while hunting in the woods the one picture is a unmarked grave just outside of the fence and there are several more beside Nancy's grave in the fence.
Tom Stanley
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When: Summer of 2008
Photographer: Tom Stanley
Photo submitted by: Tom Stanley
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Remark Nellie Bell:
Thanks for sharing the pictures of Nancy Hart Cemetery and grave marker photos of Nancy Hart 1846/1902 Civil War Heroine and Ivan Morgan Hunter, 1881/1965. Born Augusta County, Virginia 1881. Died Nicholas County West Virginia - 1965, I sure appreciate your time and efforts. |
The Historian of The Computer AgeSept. 04, 2008 9:13 AM
Submitted by: Lauren Cox, GGGG - Great Niece of Nancy Hart
We're now seeing some revisions among historians about The Confederate Spy of Roane County they shake their heads and wonder how so many people could believe so many stories about Nancy Hart. What do you think about that?
Remark Nellie Bell:
I think it’s great that so many people is getting interested in history and Nancy Hart and I contribution this to the computer age. Never in world history has one invention had such an influence on humanity as the compute. You are right, when historians write about Nancy the Confederate Spy of Roane County in the future they'll shake their heads and wonder how so many people could believe so many different stories. Without the computer age, there wouldn’t be this much awareness of the Confederate Spy of Roane County |
A Weather-beaten Headstone Mystery Surrounds Nancy Aug 24, 2008 4:10 AM
Submitted by: Richard
Hi,If Nancy was hung how did she come to her husband Joshua when he died Oct. 25, 1907. Or if she was hung after this date, why? After all it was 42 years after the ending of the Civil War. Just an old man's who has read a little about Nancy question.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Nellie Bell wrote:
Hi Richard,
Historically, there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Nancy Hart was in fact married. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. Most articles on Nancy Hart are basic on an article published in Leslie's Weekly in 1910. So with this info and her brother Kelly Hart and some of Kelly Hart descendents that suggest that Nancy Hart was in fact hang (Nov., 1862,) The fictitious parts of Nancy Hart The Confederate spy is after the civil war, virtually no proof of her exploits can be historically documented.
Sincerely,
Nellie Bell
From: Dulcimerman
Sent: Aug 26, 2008 5:30 AM
Nancy's claim to fame is only the Summersville incident as far as I can tell. Let me say I actually know very little about Nancy Hart. Just what I have read and heard. It is not uncommon for errors to happen with head stones. In fact I have an uncle who is buried in the Richwood Cemetery. Has a nice head stone. Also has a nice headstone in South Carolina. Now won't that be a nightmare for some one doing research in a hundred years or so. And I am told this is done a lot. Ok here is a statement you posted. "Remark Nellie Bell: You are right about the new marker it was purchased by the 4th Grade Class of Beaver Grade School 1986-1987 Craigsville, WV. The scuttle butt that I have been told, the dates on the new marker came from the original old stone grave marker of Nancy Hart bearing her name and the dates."I have seen the graves on Manning Knob as long as I can remember. The man who was stationed at the fire tower there was good friends with my family. He showed the graves to us many times. There were no markers on the graves. Some time after the tower was removed some one put a cement marker up. Then the school put the newer marker later. And one other point, the man showed us the slave cemetery. It was on the side of the knob. Family he claimed was on top of the knob. It was a common practice for the slaves to have the worst piece of land for there cemeteries. Understand this is the only thing I am disagreeing with. There were no markers on the graves when I was young. I think Ivan Morgan Hunter was the first marker there.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Nellie Bell wrote:
Hi Richard,
So the headstone in South Caroline is a fake grave and no one is buried in that grave, I am disagreeing with the nightmare. In this day and age too many record or documents (such as undertakers/cemetery receipts). I can't understand why it would be necessary for someone to have a fake grave marker placed in another state. ... Now to the Nameless Graves, If there were no markers on the graves in the 50's and 60's where did those old markers come from? Who is buried in Nancy's grave? This has been one of the most profoundly baffling questions about Nancy Hart. So who is buried at Manning Knob at Nancy Hart new marker or is this a fake grave. I have to wonder why all of the confusion. Surely someone out there in Richwood country has the answer and some photos of the old stone or cement grave markers. Any help or photos gratefully appreciated on the old markers.
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From: Dulcimerman
Date: Aug 27, 2008 4:29 AM
Here are 2 links with the pictures on it. The last time I was there the cement marker was broken. My mother and I think Ivan Morgan Hunter marker was there before the small cement marker for Nancy was placed. A well known lady in Roane county does cemetery transcriptions tells me she knows of several "fake head stones" She says it if not rare. In my uncle case he wanted to be buried by his dad. There was more room in the cemetery for my aunt to be buried beside uncle. My aunt lived in South Carolina so she has a plot there and had a stone for her husband put beside hers. Seems unusual to me, I guess different folks have different ideas. any way these 2 links have pictures of the markers. Now why the person who posted the Nancy Hart cemetery listed it as Spring Creek I have no Idea. http://www.richwooders.com/net/nancy/nancyhart-grave-pics/nancyhart-marker.htm
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=1965895
Remark Nellie Bell:
A weather-beaten headstone mystery surrounds Nancy and I wonder who made the small handmade cement headstone and carved and chiseled in the Nancy Hart name and dates. If you are right about Ivan Morgan Hunter (1881/1965) marker was there before the small cement headstone for Nancy, it would have been placed after 1965, 43 years ago. I bet someone somewhere will spill the beans on how a Nancy Hart headstone placed on a Nameless Grave ...at the Manning Knob Cemetery also known as Nancy Hart Cemetery and is so listed on Williamsburg District Cemeteries List ...the cemetery is in the western Greenbrier County, near the town of Richwood, West Virginia. |
Girl Nancy Hart Served as Confederate Spy, ScoutAug. 4, 2008 12:17 PM
Submitted by: Katharine Norman
Hi,In the Charleston Daily Mail, Thursday, April 18, 1963 there was a story about the Roane County Girl Nancy Hart Served as Confederate Spy, Scout by Adrian Gwin of the Daily Mail Staff. Mr. Adrian Gwin’s interview with Nancy’s grandniece Mrs. Jessie Ferguson Keith of Fola, Virginia. According to Mrs. Keith, Nancy was born in Raleigh, NC in 1846. Nancy sympathized with the Confederate side, when she was 14 joined the Moccasin Rangers. My Question is, if she was 14 in 1861, she would be only 16 or just turned 17 when she led an attack on Summersville, but some groups and websites has reported her aged 20.
Sincerely,
Katharine Norman
Remark Nellie Bell:
When I saw your comment I was sure I was missing something. Now, I know and you are right..... she was 16 or just turned 17 when she led an attack on Summersville....... As a matter of fact, newspaper historians agree that she was born 1846. From the mid-70s on, general questions about her birth and death has been particularly distorted. I suspect there are many journalists shaking their heads at some of the Nancy Hart Stories, interviews and articles posted on the net. The facts from the historians that she was born 1846 and was the daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart of Roane County and we makes it a point to stick to the facts because there is no doubt that truth can be discovered through a rigorous analysis of the facts. |
Nancy illegitimate child!Jul 14, 2008 6:15 PM
Submitted by: Frances Adams
Hi,I just came across your name on the Nancy Hart story. Do you know if Nancy had an daughter out of wedlock and she gave to the Davis family in Richwood? The story goes that she gave her daughter to the Davis family and they raised her as their own. She later married one of the Davis sons.
Remark Nellie Bell:
Children born out of wedlock were much more likely to be abandoned by their parents and placed in foster homes than were the children of married but I don't think Nancy Hart of Stephen and Mary Hart Family of Roane County Virginia in 1860's had a child out of wedlock. We still can't find any records or direct proof to show that Nancy Hart of Roane County had a birth out of wedlock or births within wedlock.
From: Frances Adams
Do you know of any Davis family that she might have been close too? That's who she supposely gave her daughter to.Remark Nellie Bell:
Sorry, we don't know of any Davis family she might have been close too.....that's it as of now. But if we find out something, we'll share it with you and the rest of the world. But we do know she was a great fan of Jefferson Davis and thought Jeff was one of a kind.
She was always saying to herself, Whoop! Hurrah! Yay! for Jeff Davis....
The old timers will remember this for sure that she spied so well for the Confederacy that The Confederate President Jefferson Davis credited her with helping Stonewall Jackson in his famous Valley campaign.
She was jailed in the Summersville jail with a telegrapher person Marion H. Kerner and their was a Yankee Captain Samuel Davis who thought she was a pretty little spitfire, but Captain Samuel Davis had pretty negative feelings toward her and wasn't blown away by her look. | Jefferson Davis
06/03/1808 - 12/06/1889
First and only president of the Confederate States of America 1861-1865. |
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May 30, 2008 7:40 PM
Submitted by: Kimberly Clear
Hi,Nancy's brother Kelly or Kelley Hart had a daughter born 1870 named Sophronia D. Hart. This name has been spelled many different ways...Saffrona, Safrane, etc...and the middle initial has also been seen as A. She married my 2nd great uncle James Harmon Thompson in Roane Co. on 28 Aug 1887. From there I can't seem to find them. Does anyone have any idea what happened to James and Sophronia??
Thanks,
Kim
Remark Nellie Bell:
At the time of writing this remark, I seem to have hit a brick wall with James and Sophronia at the moment. Anyone familiar with James Harmon Thompson and Sophronia Hart of Roane County or know anything I'd be interested in hearing from you.....
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They hanged Nancy Hart just shy of her 18th birthday.
Girl Hero of the ConfederacyHey Nellie Bell! My grandparents lived at Renick around Falling Spring Greenbriar, I used to spend every summer there when I was growing up. I love Greenbriar County and miss it very much. It is God's own country. I have lots of old cousins still there in West Virginia. My mother was a Spurlock and my grandma maiden name was a Hart. She and my grandma told me a few legendary stories about the civil war...... One of my favorite stories about the Civil War concerns the Confederate Spy of Roane County.
As my grandma says, I have a true civil war story, with my Grandma (may she rest in peace), every story is true and is repeated about 20 time a year. Here it is in a nutshell.
Nancy Hart's role during the Civil War has become legendary in Greenbriar, Nicholas, and Roane Counties, and was known without a doubt to be the Confederate Spy of Roane County and her family was one of The Blue and Gray Family of Roane County. This fifteen year old looks like any other teenager except for her really long black hair which was like velvet, feminine coal black eyes and her black boots, she join Captain Perry Conley, a leader of the Moccasin Rangers in 1861. She was known far and wide and very noticeable on horse back with that remarkable black long natural hair. She rode like a man in the territory that would become West Virginia and without a doubt to be the best marksman with either a musket or a pistol in the territory, and frontier life was rough. You might describe Nancy as a girl of beauty with many personal difficulties, hot tempered, having a keen mind with a photographic memory, but she could neither read nor write but she could sew and did an excellent job spying for the rebel, far more successfully than was intended.
She was captured during a raid on Summersville and escape to Greenbriar County where she was arrested by the Union forces and sentenced to hang for being a spy... the confederacy didn't know about the hanging, so they couldn't save her from the gallows, just shy of her 18th birthday. Her brother James Hart killed at age 28 was one of the union casualties of Cloyd's Mountain May 9, 1864. .... Thanks to my siblings for helping me and my Grandma Hart for telling me this story so I could pass it on. Thanks to my friend Patti at the nurse home for sending it to you....
Remark Nellie Bell:
This is a story we know so well about Nancy Hart, we don't know what happened after 1843 but soon after the Civil War, no one have seen her or heard about her until 1910. An article about the Civil War telegrapher Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. To this day, there have been many versions of the same Story with Fact to Fiction, and Folklore in Nancy Hart's World. Although its hard to separate Fact, Fiction, and Folklore, I think we are headed in the right direction. |
For a photograph of Nancy Hart!Apr 11, 2008 2:38 AM
Dear Nelllie Bell,I am a women's military history, specializing in the CW and WWII. Please see my "Springing to the Call" at nymas.org -- right side bar, scroll down -- for a photograph of Nancy Hart. I've been told all the information is not accurate but have not yet been able to correct it.
Sincerely,
C. Kay Larson author,
South Under a Prairie Sky: The Journal of Nell Churchill, US Army Nurse & Scout_, a fact-based work of fiction, amazon.com/xlibris.com
Remark Nellie Bell:
C. Kay Larson give readers an idea of the range of duties the women carried out: some of the civil war women were Rose Greenhow, Belle Boyd, and Nancy Hart. There a photograph of Nancy Hart at the end of her tribute. |
Charlottie Hart Great Niece of Nancy Hart of Roane County!Date: April 04, 2008 2:22 PMIn the early 1940's the Richwood paper mill moved from Richwood West Virginia to Plymouth, Washington County, North Carolina 27962, several of the mill workers migrated with the mill and lived in a small village named little Richwood Village which is still there today. Charlottie left Richwood with a man name Payne he was a pulp mill superintendent with a wife and many children.... Charlottie was about 27 and pregnant, she didn't say anything when she left Richwood.Charlottie went to NC with Charlie or Charles Payne and his daughter follow them and shot Charlottie dead........ That how the story or legend went..... We believe it at first but right now we don't think she died that day. She would be about 95 and her son or daughter would be about 67. This lady would know about Nancy Hart of Roane County. We don't want to raise expectations too high but does anyone know what happened to Charlottie and her child. She was born Sep 1913, Camden On Gauley, Webster County West Virginia and there are 3 spelling of her first name Charlotte (spell like the city of NC.) and Charlottie the way we spell it and last but not least Charlott. I think the name of the paper mill in NC. is Weyerhaeuser Pulp and Paper Mill.
Thank You....
Jean Driskell
Remark Nellie Bell:
This is a story we know so well about Charlotte, we don't know what happened but soon after the shooting, gave everyone the same chilling thought she was dead.
Apr 13, 2008 6:11 PM
Is there a link between Charles Payne Born: 1880 Married Anna Marie Queen 1905 or Charles Payne Born: 1865 Died: 1975 Age 110 Married Anna Eliza Anderson 1910, they spent several years living at Richwood and in and around Nicholas County WV.
Bert Hill
Remark Nellie Bell:
At the time of writing this remark, we found "no credible evidence" of any connection between these to men and Charlottie Hart. Now, it is time to get something from you! Does anyone know any thing about Charlottie Hart and the Payne connection please let us know......
Date: April 21, 2008 7:20 AM
I came across this info. while researching my West Virginia roots. I hope this info is helpful for your research. This might be the missing piece to Charlotte Hart puzzle.
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Charlottie HartBirth Date: 7 Sep 1913
Death Date: 27 Sep 1997
Social Security Number: 241-40-5589
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: North Carolina
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 27801
Localities: Dortches, Edgecombe, North Carolina
Rocky Mount, Edgecombe, North Carolina
Rocky Mt, Edgecombe, North Carolina
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Death Benefit Localities
Zip Code: 27801
Localities: Dortches, Edgecombe, North Carolina
Rocky Mount, Edgecombe, North Carolina
Rocky Mt, Edgecombe, North Carolina
Rocky Mount, North Carolina
The city is about 45 minutes away from Raleigh, North Carolina, which has a population of over 300,000 and is the capital of North Carolina.
Thank you!
Linda McKay!
| This is Charlotte Hart mother ( Lucinda Flagana Lucky ) she married Samuel Lruzla Hart, the nephew of Nancy Hart of Roane County.Lucinda Lucky
9/14/1883 - 04/17/1943
Charlotte certainly could look like her mother Lucinda. Thanks for sharing this photo Jeanne and Velda. |
Remark Nellie Bell:
I didn’t think too hard about Charlotte Hart, NC., as a match for Charlotte Hart, WV.. But the information leads me to believe that the Charlotte, NC., is the same as the Charlotte of Roane Co, West Virginia.
I am not 100 percent sure about this, but it worth exploring, so we need to do some more research so we can confirm this information. Thanks for the info. Linda.
Charley Payne & that isn't correct
Date: Nov 11, 2008 8:04 PMSaw where you were asking for information on our Aunt Charlotte Hart. Here is what mom told me. When they closed the Paper Mill in Richwood, WV, Charley Painter transferred to Plymouth, N. C. he was a boss for the paper plant there. We noticed you had his name down as Charley Payne & that isn't correct. Mom knew him well. Charlotte was with Painter when he went to Plymouth they wanted Mom to go. Charlotte was a few months pregnant when she left with Charley Painter… Mom said it was late in the fall because her & Charlotte walked up South Fork, because Charlotte was crazy about wild grapes they were ripe, they usually get ripe in October. Charley & Charlotte left the next morning that was the last time mom saw Charlotte. There was a man & his wife that mom knew that moved to Plymouth with the mill, they came back to Richwood, about a year later, mom ask about Charlotte, he said he knew Charley Painter well & knew Charlotte he said he had seen Charley several times but Charlotte was not with him. Judge Stricklers mother in Richwood, lived next door to mom upon main street, she said she knew exactly what happen to Charlotte, that Charley' s wife & two daughters both older than Charlotte went to Plymouth & was hiding in the house when Charlotte & Charley came home. They were hiding behind the bedroom door curtain & that one of the daughters shot Charlotte & some of Charley's wife family told Mrs. Stickler… Mrs. Strickler is death now. The story went that they buried Charlotte's body or got rid of the body they didn't say how. Don't know what happen to Charley Painter… Is there anyway you can find Paper Mill employees records? He was salary, check the web sight & see what year the mill left so you would know what year Charlotte & Charley Painter left Richwood. Hope this is some help.
Keep in touch.
Your cousin Doug…
Remark:
Thanks for the name correction and The Richwood Paper mill shut down in 1942 during the summer of 1937 the Kiekhaefer Container Company, was building a Pulp Mill in Plymouth North Carolina. Richwooders pulp mill workers was transferred to Plymouth, North Carolina. It was owned by John W. Kieckhefer which was merged into Weyerhauser in 1957. In March of 2007 Weyerhauser sold its paper interests to Domtar Paper Company LLC. The paper mill is now a Domtar paper mill while the onsite sawmill is still owned by Weyerhauser. I would think Charley Painter and Charlotte left Richwood between 1937 and 1942.We think she might have lived through the shooting and went to Rocky Mount, which is about, 75 miles West of Plymouth. Rocky Mount was the closest city, to Plymouth that she could go to, by train. If the Painter girls were trying to kill her, she wouldn’t tell any one in Richwood that she went to Rocky Mount. Because the Painter family was in Richwood and she would be afraid that the Painter family would find out where she actually live at. There was a Charlottie Hart in Rocky Mount,
Birth Date: 7 Sep 1913
Death Date: 27 Set 1997
Social Security Number: 241-40-5589
Rocky Mount NC.
I’m trying to find more information about Charlottie Hart in Rocky Mount, she only been dead for 11 years, someone in Rocky Mount, NC. knows her. I was in the Plymouth area this September but didn‘t find out much, I’m trying to find out if this Charlotte is our aunt. If there isn't a body then I think that she might have lived through the shooting and we got a cousin we don‘t know about and so far haven’t found any employees records on Charley Painter.
Thanks cousin Doug
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There were two Joshua Douglas There were two Joshua Douglas in the area of Greenbrier and Webster County and we don't know which one marry Nancy Hart the Confederate Spy and maybe Nancy the Confederate Spy didn't marry either one of them. Nancy was a popular name back in those days and was use as either the first name or middle name and if you didn't have a middle name, you just use your mother maiden name or use your own maiden name. For example my great great grandmother Given Name is Mary and Nancy is the middle name and Hart is the maiden name. Everyone knew her in Kanawha County as Nancy Hart but that not her given name. To many reasonable people assumption of Same place, same story, same name, must be right. NO! Never do this without some sort of evidence stating the relationship as fact. Without sources, thing is mere hearsay. Knowing only that a piece of information originated from Great Aunt Bernadine’s pedigree chart does not prove much of anything. .
Sometimes people who are in the same county or near by counties at the same time may seem to be related, but in reality only have the same name. Unless there is some sort of proof, such as births, deaths, marriages, deeds, and wills that states that this person is the son, daughter, etc. of so and so and X are related. The original information is not necessarily wrong, but further evidence is needed to verify what is happening.
Thank You, Diane Everhard
Remark Nellie Bell:
You probably are right, there's more than one Joshua Douglas in the area of Greenbrier and Webster Counties and we need to do more research regarding thier wives. |
I am the great, great granddaughter of Nancy HartDate: Mar 13, 2008 2:59 PM
I am the great, great granddaughter of Nancy Hart. My grandmother was the daughter of George Douglas, son of Nancy Hart and Joshua Douglas, and Norma Jean Ballard (Hunnley). They were never married, but George Douglas took his part as a father and Myrtle Mae (Hunnley) Hollandsworth was his daughter. Nancy Hart was never hung, but lived to a ripe old age and died in the year of 1913. My grandmother quoted this year, as she remembers she was 13 the year her Grandma Hart died. Myrtle Mae lived with her mother in and around Trout Valley. She went to Oregon with her father, George Douglas, by train when he got a job as a lumberjack. She earned her keep by cooking and cleaning for the men at the logging camp. She was close to her grandmother Nancy Hart and told many a story about her living up on Greenbriar Road. She also told about an uncle that had no legs...was this Nancy's brother? I don't know for sure, but she told many a story about him.
Thank You, Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:
Did Nancy go to Oregon with her son George Douglas and granddaughter Myrtle Mae Hollandworth or did she died in Trout Valley West Virginia. Went To Oregon; What Year?
Nancy Hart didn't go to Oregon as far as I know. Mamma never said anything about her going. Mamma said she was 8 or 9 when she went to Oregon. Mamma said Grandmother Hart lived up on Greenbrier Rd when she died.
Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:
Did you know that George Douglas and Brother Kenes Douglas was in Washington state in 1910 and their mother Nancy, was on the 1910 Census. 1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington #23 Kenes M. Douglas age 43 m. 10 yrs b. Ky; Mahala age 32 Ch: 8 born/5 living b. WV; Ruby G 9 dau b. WV; Moppie F 8 dau b. WV; Joshua 2 son b. WV; Mable 2 mos dau b. Washington; NANCY B. age 66 mother Ch: 6 born/2 living b. Va parents b. NC1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington #24 George T Douglas age 39 m. 4 yrs b.Va parents b. WV; Bertha B age 20 b. Pa Ch: 1/1; May M. 9 dau b. WV; Jessie 2 dau b. WV
According to this Mamma was born 1901 which is false. She was born Sept.10, 1900
I remember Moppie coming to see Mamma while I was there one year in Richwood. Who would name their kid Moppie...lol
It says Nancy B ...was this Nancy Hart? What did the B stand for?
Carolyn Harvey
Remark Nellie Bell:
The age is one year off, but that is not unusual for census records of this time period.
It would appear by some people that her middle name was Bernadine but there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Nancy B. was in fact, Nancy Bernadine. Bernadine is French and comes from the German name Bernard and means bold as a bear. We know Nancy was bold as a bear but she was of Scotch-Irish descent so the middle name doesn't sound right.
On the 1900 Census Webster County Joshua Douglas wife is Nancy and it appear as Nancy B. on the 1910 Washington state Census. If we predict Nancy maiden name without some sort of proof.....This would be just another gross assumption that is totally unfounded. Unless there is some sort of proof stating Nancy maiden name, such as births, deaths, marriages, deeds, and wills that states that this person maiden name was in fact Hart.
It would thus appear that Nancy birth was wrong on the 1900 census or this is not Nancy Hart Confederate Spy of Roane County VA/WV born 1846.
1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs b. WV Father b. WV Mother b. WV; Nancy b. July 1843/age 56 children born 5/living 2 b. Va parents b. NC; George b. Jan 1870/age 30 b.VaFather b. WV Mother b. Va son/single; Keenes M. b. July 1866/age 33 m. 0 (less than one year) son b. Ky-WV-Va; Hailey b. Dec 1877/age 22 ch: 1 born/1 living daughter in law b. WV-Va-Va; Clayton Brown b. Dec 1897/age 2 step grandson b. WV-WV-WV (this is a s/o of Mahalia Baldwin and C. H. Brown) |
Captain Perry ConleyThis is a very interesting site. I was wondering if you had information concerning Captain Perry Conley, an associate of Nancy Hart and a leader of the Moccasin Rangers? I know the two are mentioned in several articles, but I have a personal interest in Conley and his brothers. Perry had two brothers, James and Cornelius Conley. Both of them joined the Union forces during the Civil War while Perry remained loyal to the Confederacy. Cornelius is my g-g-g Grandfather, obviously making Perry and James my uncles. I have not been able to find out much information on them so any assistance would be appreciated. Thank you, Anita Allex
Remark Nellie Bell:
I had never really known much about Captain Perry Conley. I wish I could be of more help.
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Letter from Moppie Douglas McCollumI have a letter from Moppie Douglas McCollum. She is the daughter of Kennos Douglas, the grand daughter of Nancy Hart. In this personal correspondence she said, " The last time Nancy was at our house my brother Josh, was about 6 years old." Joshua Douglas was born in 1908. Moppie's mother was Mahala Baldwin, who was a sister to my gr. grandmother. That would place her death closer to the 1913 date. Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:The problem I am having is finding the proof in any records of your Nancy's maiden name, and if she is from Roane County, W. Va. Some claim that Nancy Hart died 1902 and she is buried in Manning Knob in Greenbrier County, West Virginia. Joshua Douglas died October 25, 1907 in Richwood. Kennos son Josh, was born in 1908 and if we are talking about the same Nancy from Roane County born in 1845 or 1846 you probably are right about her death 1913......
Are there any records available showing Nancy's maiden name as Hart and if so, are there any records available showing she was in Roane County West Virginia in 1860. Do you know the trial date in connection with Kennos, who was charged with killing Tom Reed at a dance in Trout Valley? I would appreciate any credible information or source that anyone could give me.
Date: Jan 21, 2008 9:17 AM
I am looking in my papers for any dates and etc. Am also sending a page on Thomas W. Reeds death. It says shot by Douglas. That would give some idea on the trial date.
Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:I have heard of the story of Kenos, but I had never really know much about Kenos. He was supposed jailed for life for killing Thomas Reed at a dance in Trout Valley.West Virginia Vital Research Death Register - Record Image. Show Thomas W. Reed December 28 1893, Place of Death Greenbrier County, Shot by J. L. Douglas. Reed Age 28 years 4 months and 11 days. Father and Mother Names Eliza and Sarah J. Born VA. Married to Anabella Reed and name of person giving Information of Death (Eliza Reed) Thomas W. Reeds father.
So, by the details of this Death Register Keenes M. Douglas didn't kill Thomas W. Reed it was J. L. Douglas
This is a long shot but could Joshua Douglas the Confederate Ranger Kill Thomas Reed. There was a story about Nancy's last public appearance was shortly before her death. It was at the Courthouse in Lewisburg, to testify in behalf of Douglas, who was charged with killing Tom Reed abt. 1893.I could be going on a long shot here but does anyone know anything about the Tom Reed death and the trial of J. L. Douglas.
Josh Douglas death
Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:
Checking on Josh Douglas death it would appear that the whole thing is a bit confusing. Many are not sure that Josh Douglas the Confederate Ranger ever lived in Nicholas or Greenbriar County, others believe he lived in Pocahontas County, some think of Josh Douglas only as a young Civil War soldier who use the Ranger as a kind of initiation into manhood and after suffering battlefield injuries Josh returned to his boyhood home in Calhoun County.
Here’s what we do know, there was a
(1) Joshua Douglas b. 5-24-1838 d. 10-25-1907, from stone in Richwood Cemetery, Nicholas Co WV.
(2) 1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512; Joshua Douglas Date of birth June 1841
(3) From the West Virginia Vital Research Records -Joshua Douglas age 72. Place of death: Cordova, Greenbriar County West Virginia
Occupation: Farmer, Name of person giving information of death: K. M. Douglas (Son), Date of death: Oct 25 1907 b. abt. 1835
This letter was written to me Dec.2, 1979, she (Moppie Douglas) said her brother was 70 or 71 years old at that time. She says he was about 6 when Nancy died, at their home on Manning Knob. Since this is her grandmother, I have believed her version of the story thru the years. She also calls her "Nancy Bernadine Hart", so I believe her name to have been Hart. Moppie was a very kind person and not apt to embellish the truth. Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:
I don't think Nancy Berdine Hart is the Civil war spy, Nancy Hart of Roane County.......Moppie made the statement that Nancy Berdine Hart was my dad mother but that all I know except she died at our house. Moppie was twelve or thirteen so I think she would be Captivated by her grandmother stories as a scout, guide, and spy for the Confederacy during the American Civil War and serving with the Moccasin Rangers and her Southern views on the Civil War. You surely wouldn't forget it.Moppie has also made a statement that Kenis Martin was my dad. Mon had 10 children to him.
Census record 1900, Webster Co., W. VA. Nancy was born in July 1843 in VA. Nancy Hart of Roane county was born 1846. Another reason why I don't think this Nancy is the Civil war spy.
Nellie, I don't know on all this but, I know when I came home from school when I was in 8th grade and told mom about Nancy Hart the Civil War Spy, she immediately knew to tell me about her cousins...and about Nancy being the spy. She told me she was in my family. Mom was not one impressed by fame and fortune. She was very down to earth and sensible. Also, on the thing with Moppie telling me "that was all she knew".. I had ask her a bunch of questions about dates, places, happenings and stuff. By the time I ask Moppie she was an older lady (70's) and it had been years since all this stuff happened. I had also ask her a lot of dates on birthdays, deaths, and family tree info that did not pertain to her grandmother, Nancy. She could have been referring to that...which is the way I understood it to mean. How ironic would it be for a different Nancy Bernadine Hart to marry the same Joshua Douglas that the spy rode with. Another thing is this. These folks were not "big on talking about those kind of things. I still can not get my dad's family to talk much or admit anything about Melungeons. lol I think they probably would NOT have talked a lot about her being a "spy" because of all the families that lost boys in the war. I think they would have been afraid of retaliation or just someone "trying to make a name for themselves". I do know Moppie was a quiet like lady. A lot of the confusion between Greenbrier and Nicholas is because the Mountain "up on Manning Knob" is up Greenbrier Road out of Richwood. When my mom moved over to Nicholas, from Greenbrier Co., when they were young girls. They came across that same mountain, that same dirt road with their belongings in a wagon. That would have been about 1925. Part of it is in Greenbrier Co. (Renick-Cordova area) and then you are in Nicholas Co., and Richwood. It is all on the top or side of that mountain and if you aren't an old timer or someone that travels up there a lot, you would cross these lines and never know it. On # 1. Josh would have been 69 when he died. On # 3.It says Vitals say he was 72. That doesn't mean a lot tho...the records I have looked at in searching is off a lot of the time. I will see if I can find anything else in my records that may help. Linda
Remark Nellie Bell:
Someone in your family was talking about Nancy and your family tree with relatives and your mother..... If it wasn't Moppie its someone who knew Nancy or knew the story of Nancy Hart......
I shared the blame for the confusion, but we are not talking about county lines. We are talking about why did they buried Joshua Douglas in Richwood and not Cordova area of Greenbrier County West Virginia. He died in Cordova, quite a ways from Cordova to Richwood W. Va. in those days. Just like you said, in 1925 horses and horse-drawn wagons were still the dominate form of transportation. People nowadays have no conception of how far 50 miles is, you can do now in an hour what it would take as much as two to three days on horseback. When we come to think of it, the earliest living inhabitants in Cordova area had too much to do to spend much time or effort in the burial of their dead and were too poor to go to much expense in buried their dead. So why would they want to take Joshua to a public cemetery in Richwood. Surely they could bury him there on Manning Knob.
If you are right about Joshua age being 69 and was born in 1838 and died in 1907 and if you go back to the 1900 Census Webster County WV (Glade #512) Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs, he would got married around 1863 and if you go by the date 1838 Joshua m. abt. 1864 (age 26). By those dates they got married during The Civil War (1861/1865). There are many articles on Nancy Hart marrying the former Ranger Joshua Douglas after the civil war. So here we go again even more confusion and now we believe they are two different individuals, Joshua Douglas from Cordova area of Greenbrier County and Joshua Douglas from Webster County WV.
Some of the stories about her are fact and some are myths and over the years many historians and individuals began to debunk the stories of Nancy Hart after the civil war. The first story about Nancy Hart appeared in the Leslie's Weekly in 1910. Marion H. Kerner said the last glimpse of Nancy was shortly after the Summersville raid and he never heard of her since. She may be dead. Over the years it was left up to the individual to draw their own conclusions about what happened to Nancy after the civil war.
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The Cherokee Connection!I just stumbled into the site and found the Hart family info. My ggg grandmother was Mahala Sizemore b abt 1811 d/o Edward B Sizemore and Annie B Baldwin. The Sizemores were in the area of Wy Co ( Pineville ) WV area before coming into Webster Co arnd 1853. Before living in Va/WVa they were in Ashe Co area of NC. Legend has it that one of the Sizemore men married Anna or Aruna Hart. Another legend states she was Cherokee. I have found many Harts in New Jersey. Anna or Aruna Hart according to legend was the mother of Edward B Sizemore b abt 1770. Anna or Aruna Hart has been listed as the wife of George Edward Sizemore. And also listed as the wife of George Edwards father Edward Sizemore b abt 1725 NC. Can anyone make a connection between Nancy and Anna ( Aruna ) Hart.
Thank you, Angel
Remark Nellie Bell: Historically, there is actually very little evidence to suggest that Anna or Aruna Hart was in fact Cherokee, but it is quite possible that she was half Cherokee and the other half Scotch-Irish descent. According to some of Nancy family descendents, Nancy great grandfather married a southern Appalachians Cherokee and her Indian name was Aruna, in those days intermarriage was not uncommon with the Cherokee. So far there has been no substantial proof found to link Nancy Hart with Anna or Aruna Hart at this time..... I would appreciate any credible information or source that link Nancy with Anna or Aruna Hart that anyone could give me.
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Any Clues to the Wife or Wives of Stephen Hart!On the marriages of Stephen Hart of Roane County to Mary Plumley and Mary Ferrell or Mary Polly. If Mary Plumley died in childbirth, then he remarried right away to provide a mother for his children. Who was his second wife, Mary Ferrell or Mary Polly. I know that's no real help, but I thought that if I posted what I have, someone would know the correct answer.... There seems to be a lack of hard evidence about his wife or wives. Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
Polly's family, Virginia
Remark Nellie Bell: Many researchers is still in the dark as to whom among the Virginia ladies was the wife of Stephen Hart. The pioneer ladies were:
Mary (PLUMLEY) Born: 1812
Mary Jane (Ferrell) Born: 1810; d. 1888
Mary Polly (Ferrell) Born: 1813 Russell Co. VA.
Mary (Polly)
Polly
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On the 1850 Boone County Census and the 1860, 1870, and the 1880 Roane County census they got Mary birth at 1812. |
| To the best of my knowledge of Stephen Hart, we conclude that, to date, there no credible sources or convincing evidence to support the surname or given name Polly, Mary Polly and Mary Jane as a wife of Stephen Hart (born: abt. 1810) reside in Roane County 1860/1880. |
All five of the pioneer ladies’ Given Name and Surnames are common in the State of Virginia and West Virginia census. The name Plumley is as clear as can be in the Boone County, West Virginia - 1850 census. So rest assured the namePlumley with the Given Name Mary is Stephen Hart of Roane County, West Virginia wife if you use the 1850 census and there were no second wife, just another old wives’ tale that Plumley died in childbirth..... This brings us back to the other ladies, we believe some researchers have confused Stephen Hart of NC. birth: Abt. 1810 with the Stephen Hart of Logan County West Virginia birth: Abt. 1817. It is easy to confuse the two individuals because of the similarities in name, and they live in the same local area as farmers.
Mistakes about Given Name and Surnames can confuse a family's history and family descendants confuse the issue even more with the desire to "fill in the blanks" lead descendants to accepting more than what is actually supported by the evidence.
| WV 1850 CENSUS, Boone CO., Va./W. Va. Household 341 |
| Name | Age | | Birthplace | | HART Stephen | 40 | | NC. | Mary | 38 | (d/o ___&___Plumley) | | Martha | 16 | | | James | 14 | | | Charity | 12 | | | William | 10 | | | Kelly | 7 | | | Nancy | 5 | | | Floyd | 3 | | | Catherine | 7/12 | | |
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Nancy Hart DouglasKeep in mind Nancy Hart's grave marker was placed many, many years after her death - I believe it was purchased by monies raised by school children. .. I believe the death date on the marker to be incorrect. ... Thre are lots of storys regarding Nancy but few facts.
1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512 Joshua Douglas b. June 1841/age 58 m. 36 yrs b. WV Father b. WV Mother b. WV; Nancy b. July 1843/age 56 children born 5/living 2 b. Va parents b. NC; George b. Jan 1870/age 30 b.VaFather b. WV Mother b. Va son/single; Keenes M. b. July 1866/age 33 m. 0 (less than one year) son b. Ky-WV-Va; Hailey b. Dec 1877/age 22 ch: 1 born/1 living daughter in law b. WV-Va-Va; Clayton Brown b. Dec 1897/age 2 step grandson b. WV-WV-WV (this is a s/o of Mahalia Baldwin and C. H. Brown)
Keenas Douglas 33 b. Lawrence Co Ky m. 4-3-1900 Greenbrier Co WV Mahala Baldwin age 24 b. Greenbrier Co WV
Joshua Douglas b. 5-24-1838 d. 10-25-1907 .. from stone in Richwood Cemetery, Nicholas Co WV
1910 Claquato Pct Lewis Co Washington#23 Kenes M. Douglas age 43 m. 10 yrs b. Ky; Mahala age 32 Ch: 8 born/5 living b. WV; Ruby G 9 dau b. WV; Moppie F 8 dau b. WV; Joshua 2 son b. WV; Mable 2 mos dau b. Washington; NANCY B. age 66 mother Ch: 6 born/2 living b. Va parents b. NC
#24 George T Douglas age 39 m. 4 yrs b.Va parents b. WV; Bertha B age 20 b. Pa Ch: 1/1; May M. 9 dau b. WV; Jessie 2 dau b. WV
The 1910 Washington State census proves she was alive in 1910 ... but I have never located proof of death/date.
Millie in Richwood
Remark Nellie Bell: You are right about the new marker it was purchased by the 4th Grade Class of Beaver Grade School 1986-1987 Craigsville, WV. The scuttle butt that I have been told, the dates on the new marker came from the original old stone grave marker of Nancy Hart bearing her name and the dates.
My questions:
You are right about Joshua Douglas being buried in the Richwood cemetery, Nicholas Co. WV. but my question is the dates doesn't match up with the
1900 Census Webster Co WV Glade #512; Joshua Douglas Date of birth June 1841
from stone in Richwood Cemetery, WV, Joshua Douglas Date of birth May 1838
We believe they are two different individuals.
Now my second question: By the 1900 Census Webster Co WV Joshua Douglas was married in 1863 (if I did the math right) and if you go with the Cemetery stone date which we believe is right. Date of birth, May 1838, and the 1900 Census Webster Co. Joshua Douglas m. 36 yrs he was married in 1860 before the civil war 1861/1865 so with these dates it's seem very unlikely he was married to Nancy Hart of Roane county.
Where did you find the info that Nancy B. Douglas Surname was Nancy Hart. I need to know if you got your information from a newspaper or the county courthouse records dealing with Nancy B. Douglas Surname.
Thank you:
Nellie Bell
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Correction: Census provides the following data: name of head of household was listed first and the 2nd person was the spouse, followed by the oldest child, next oldest, and so on until all the children were counted. Other family members, and tenants were listed last.
Now check the 1860 Census Roane County, West Virginia, you will see John and Rebecca Heart is listed head of household and spouse but no Heart children listed......Only Duff is listed......Leah, John, Nancy (would be a Duff, not a Heart....by the Roane County 1860 census),Joseph, and Mary Duff. This clearly shows their only one Nancy Hart in Roane County, in 1860......
Sincerely
Mary Claybourn
Remark Nellie Bell: Photocopies: We are getting a lot of feedback on the 1860 census of Roane County, W. Va, but "we still have a long way to go". What we need are photocopies of Stephen and Mary Hart and John and Rebecca Heart handwritten census records from the microfilm. So that everyone can see them here. | WV 1860 CENSUS, ROANE CO.,#167-167 P.O. Roxalana |
| Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace | | Heart, John | 56 | farmer --/75 | VA. | Rebecca | 55 | | NC. | Leah A. Duff | 29 | | VA. | John T. Duff | 19 | | VA. | Nancy Duff | 17 | | VA. | Joseph Duff | 09 | | VA. | Mary Duff | 04 | | VA. |
None of Heart are listed in Roane Marriages, nor in 1870/1880 census.
In 1859 a band of lawless men began terrorizing Roane and adjoining counties. Stores and homes were robbed by them. Joseph Duff arrested in his cabin and the same night one of his brothers was lynched by a mob and he knew he was going to hang. His wife Leah Ann Duff and his children Joseph Jr. and Mary and his brother John and sister Nancy went to live with John and Rebecca and they move on to Kansas at the start of the civil war in 1861.
| | WV 1860 CENSUS, ROANE CO.,Spencer Dist. #432-432 P.O. |
| Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace | | Hart, Stephen | 50 | farmer --600/75 | VA. | Mary | 48 | | Va. | Jane | 24 | | VA. | Charity | 23 | | VA. | Kelly (m) | 17 | | VA. | Nancy | 15 | | VA. | Floyd | 13 | | VA. | Catherine | 10 | | VA. | Doliver | 09 | | VA. | Rebecca | 07 | | VA. | Salina | 05 | | VA. | John | 03 | | VA. |
@31-7-14 Charity Hart, Date of death 16 July 1869 daughter of Stephen, report by Stephen.| 1870 Roane county West Virginia Census |
| Name | Age | | Born | | Hart, Stephen | 60, April | Farmer -RE400-PE100 | NC. | Mary | 58, April | | VA. | Floyd S. | 23, Jan | Labor Farm | | Dolvier A. (m) | 19, May | | | Salina | 15, April | | | James M. | 06, Mar. | | | Charles R. | 01, May | | |
It may be possible that James M. and Charles R. is the sons of Stephen Hart daughter, Charity.| WV 1880 CENSUS, ROANE CO., Geary Dist. #180-181 |
| Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace | | Hart, Stephen | 70 | farmer --600/75 | NC. | Mary | 68 | | Va. | Haley, Catherine | 30 (widow) | | VA. |
Haley, Catherine daughter of Stephen Hart.
@87-1-25 Stephen Hart, Date of death 04 Oct 1896 son of James & Elizabeth, report by Selina Harrold, Daughter.| WV 1880 CENSUS, ROANE CO.,Spencer Dist #115-115 P.O. |
| Name | Age | Occupation | Birthplace | | Hart, Kelly S. | 36 | farmer | WV/VA.. | Sarah T. | -- | | WV/VA. | Martha A. | 12 | | WV/VA. | Sophronia A. | 10 | | WV/VA. | Mary E. | 07 | | WV/VA. | Cassandra | 05 | | WV/VA. | Samuel L. | 03 | | WV/VA. | Ida F.. | 01 | | WV/VA. | Haley, Ann V.. | 65 | | WV/VA. | Jeremiah | 15 | | WV/VA. |
Haley, Ann V. mother - in law of Kelly S.Hart.
Jeremiah brother-in-law;of Kelly S.Hart. |
* I want to thank Jo Ann Stephens (http://www.pa-roots.com/~roane/lookup.html) who took the trouble to look-up the 1860 Roane census of the John Heart Family and the 1860 and 1880 census for the Stephen Hart Family.
* I want to thank Judith Hildreth (http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvrchs/lookups.htm) who took the trouble to look-up the 1870 Roane census of the Stephen Hart Family. |
Sinking Creek affair at Cold Knob MountainNov 26, 1862 Cold Knob Mountain - Greenbrier or Nicholas County side of Cold Knob. The confederates camps of the the 14th Rebel Virginia Cavalry Regiment was one of two Confederate camps in the area of Cold Knob Mountain, some two miles apart and around Sinking Creek Valley at the foot of Cold Knob Mountain. After a brief struggle the Confederates surrender and some of the prisoners either walked away or were excused and Nancy was one of those prisoners.
Pat Davis
Greenbrier, West Virginia
Remark Nellie Bell: This is one of those Nancy stories that turn up so often or perhaps Nancy could had been one of those prisoners. Has anyone had any knowledge about the Sinking Creek affair at Cold Knob Mountain, Nov 26, 1862. Email Us! |
Nancy HartNellie
My name is Stephen (Steve) Lester Harold, Jr. My paternal grandmother was Salina (Hart) Harold born on April or, 1855 and died on January 06, 1934. She was the second wife of Daniel Harold; their marriage date was July 17, 1866. Salina was the 11th child of Stephen Hart (b.Abt 1809; d. Oct. 04, 1896) and Mary Jane (Ferrell) Hart (b. Nov. 1810; d. Jan 12, 1888). Among Salina's siblings were a Nancy Hart (6th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1846; d. Apr. 23, 1913), a James Hart (2nd Child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt 1837; d. May 09,1864 in action in the battle of Cloyd's Mountain in VA.) and a Kelly Hart (5th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1843; d. Unknown) Kelly also was a Union Soldier in the Civil War. (Please note that Daniel and Salina's grave stones in the Cottrell Cemetery in Calhoun County WV show their last name as Harrold, not Harold. My father explained that his dad had added a second "r" to the spelling of his surname to differentiate himself from those "rebel" Harold's that were fighting for the south.
Now to my question. I have long believed that Salina's sister Nancy was the "famous" Civil War Spy. Recently, however, I have been advised and nearly convinced that this belief was in error; that there was another "Nancy Hart" the daughter of a John and Rebecca Hart that was also residing in Rhone county at the same time as Stephen and Mary Hart were living in there. This Nancy is purported to be the "real Civil war spy". (See website www.nkclifton.com/nancy.html ).
Now to my question. Your web site supports my original belief that "my Nancy" was the Rebel spy. What is your opinion of this new information allegation? I don't really know what to believe now. Please note that while I am mentioned in the above website as agreeing with this "new" revelation, that my sole participation was to agree that the census records listed a John and Rebecca Hart and a daughter Nancy.
Please help me clear up my confusion on this issue if you can.
Sincerely
Steve Harold
Remark Nellie Bell: Mr. Steve, I need to check the website out..... before answer your questions. The only thing I know for certain about the (1860 CENSUS ROANE CO., WEST VIRGINIA) their only one Hart family with the same spelling of Nancy Hart name and the family was Stephen and Mary Hart and Nancy Hart age:14 born abt. 1846 and her father was born: in North Carolina. The other Nancy was the daughter of John and Rebecca Heart and she was born abt. 1843 Age: 17.
My questions:
( #1 ) (6th child of Stephen and Mary) (b. abt. 1846; d. Apr. 23, 1913), I need to know if you got your information from a newspaper or the county courthouse records dealing with Nancy Hart death of (Apr. 23, 1913)
( #2) Mary Jane (Ferrell) Hart (b. Nov. 1810; d. Jan 12, 1888). I got Mary Surname as Plumley b.1812, could you give me more info on Ferrell......
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I have two sources for Mary Jane's surname being FERREL or FERRELL. First, the most authoritave source. I have a copy of an Oath or Declaration signed by Stephen Hart on the 7th of March 1891 attendant to his application for a federal pension from the US Government as the dependent father of his son James Hart who was killed on the 9th day of May 1864 in the Civil War at the battle of Cloyd's mountain in Virginia. In this Oath/Declaration he "declares that he was married to Mary Ferrel on the 10th day of April 1831 in Russell County Virginia and that his wife the said Mary (Ferrel) Hart died on the 12th day of January, 1888 in Rhone Co., W. Va" The Oath/Declaration was certified by Justice of Peace J. N. Ross on 7 March 1891. The second source was from a Geological Report researched and published on 4 September 1993 by a distant cousin, James L. Brannon. His report is largely based on records that he researched at the Rhone County courthouse in Spencer, WV. We had a chance meeting when I was also researching Harold family at the courthouse. In his report he lists Mary Jane's surname as Ferrell. I have not fully resolved the different spelling of the surname (use of a 2nd "l"). I chose to use two "l's" in my file as many other researchers on RootsWeb.com spell the surname of Mary and her parents William and Jane. Further, in a letter to my niece, an uncle states that his grandmothers name was Ferrell and that their family was originally from Ireland and that the name was originally O'Farrel.
I do not have good documentation in hand on the death of Nancy in 1913. I believe that I took this information from the website that I gave you in my original Email. I stand ready to be corrected if this is in error
Remark Nellie Bell: Mr. Steve, if Salina Hart and Daniel Harold marriage date was July 17, 1866. Salina would be abt. 11 years old which seems a bit young .... Daniel Harold would be abt. 24 (if I did the math right)...... The marriage date July 17, 1866 is this the Correct Marriage Date for Salina Hart and Daniel Harold?
Back to your original question about the website.
The memorial at her gravesite (http://www.nkclifton.com/nancyh.grave.html) point to her birth date of 1846 and the date of death as 1902. According to the Roane County 1860 census records, Nancy Hart ( daughter of Stephen and Mary Hart ) was born abt. 1846, depending when the census was taken before or after her birthday, this would make her about 14 or 15 on the 1860 Roame census report. Further, this would be the exact birth date the memorial at her gravesite point to. According to census records, John and Rebecca Heart daughter was born July 1843. So if, this is the location of Nancy Hart’s confederate spy Grave, her gravesite point to Stephen and Mary Hart daughter b.1846, d.1902. So all of those historical societies over the past 40 years might be right about Nancy Hart's parents.
At http://www.nkclifton.com/salinaht.html the webpage of Salina Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart, she was born 1845. According to my database and your, Salina Hart, daughter of Stephen Hart wasn't born until 1855. So, the date 1845 clearly shows that this couldn't be Stephen and Mary Hart daughter, she was born 1855. On the other hand the webmaster probably made an error on the date......
My personal opinion the website is not consistent with what the facts was actually showing.
Nellie
Oops, I reviewed my original Email to you and I made a goof on Salina and Daniel's marriage date- - -it was 7-17-1886 not 1866. This had to be a typo error!! Salina was 31 at the time of her marriage and Daniel was 44. Daniel's birth date is 4-4-1842. Sorry for the mis-information.
You might be interested in the circumstances of Salina's and Daniel's having met. Salina became the "Caretaker" for Daniel's first wife Mary Jane Vaughn during a prolonged illness after the birth of her 9th child Daniel Jr. who was born on 9-20-1884. Mary Jane died 4-7-1885. Daniel and Mary Jane were married 8-30-1866. Daniel married Salina a little over a year after Mary's death.
Thanks for your information regarding Nancy. I think as you do that those historical societies are probably correct. The 1845 date of birth for Salina is definitely wrong. As you surmise it must be a typo- - -just like mine above!!! The 1860 Census clearly shows Salina as 5 years old!!
Steve Harold
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Nancy Hart as she was married to my ggUncle
Joshua DouglasJust found this article on the Richwood site and found it very interesting. I am very interested in Nancy Hart as she was married to my ggUncle Joshua Douglas. There are records of her sons, George and Kenos, in Greenbrier County. We know that she lived in Trout, we know that she lived on the head of Spring Creek. Her son, Kenos, was born in Ky. Her son, George, was born in Virginia. We know she lived in Webster County, we know that she lived in Washington State. Census records tell us she had 7 kids, only have records of 2 surviving. We know this information is true as we have looked at the various records. We "think" she died in 1912, but cannot prove this. There is a death certificate in Greenbrier County of a N.R. Douglas who died in 1912. We know there was no Douglass in Greenbrier County in 1910.
If you use this information, please acknowledge your source.
Paul and Genelle Douglas Flippin
Remark Nellie Bell: You indicate Nancy was still alive in 1912. The memorial at her grave site point to her date of death as 1902 so who is buried at Manning Knob, near Richwood.
I have searched the death index from the 1900s onwards but have found no record of her death. |
| My Grandmother was at Nancy Harts Burial on Manning Knob. My name is Judith Hollandsworth Shifflett. I am the great great granddaughter of Nancy Hart. I was raised by my Grandmother, who was Nancy Harts Granddaughter. My Grandmother was raised by Nancy Hart. My Grandmother was at Nancy Harts Burial on Manning Knob. The Year was 1913. I know this for a fact.
Remark Nellie Bell: You indicate Nancy died in 1913. The memorial at her grave site on Manning Knob point to her date of death as 1902 and the grave is in the cemetery where the Manning family buried their slaves.
I have searched the death index from the 1900s onwards but have found no record of her death. |
Remember that all records before the 1900s were handwritten, and very few of these have been scanned and their texts made available on the World Wide Web. Much of the information you find on the World Wide Web has been posted by researchers who may not have checked the original records. The World Wide Web is a great tool to find researchers with whom you can exchange information, but be sure to examine and judge carefully the information you find on the Web. I welcome your additions and corrections, with sources, as well as pictures etc, with the implied permission to use that data on the Nancy Hart Genealogy website.
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Great Nieces of Nancy Hart of Roane County, WV
